So Where WAS Obama Born?

"...Snopes has been accused by forum members here of being part of some Liberal plot..."

Snopes is self-serving (as well as Liberal-serving) and subject to correcting their own errors "on the fly".

WND finds errors in Snopes and "Fact Check" accounts of BO's birthplace:

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"But it even gets worse for Snopes.com and wikipedia.com. By clicking on the link wikipedia provides for information on Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children you find these comments:

"The hospital is the alleged birthplace of Barack Obama, President of the United States..."

"Wikipedia is unable to confirm Obama's hospital and even admits his official birth certificate is in dispute as Snopes.com links to wikipedia as proof that Obama was born in Kapiolani Medical Center and not only that but the very source that Snopes.com cites for the hospital of birth also contradicts Snopes.com report on the issue of Obama's birth certificate."

http://www.valuesvoternews.com/2009/07/snopescom-changes-hospital-of-oba...

I grew up in Hawaii.

I'll have to ask my Dad what hospital I had my tonsils out at. I recall it as Kapi'olani Hospital: The "Medical Center" part must have been added since then.

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Let us know what President Obama say's about your questions concerning not releasing all of his records.

I want a real birth certificate and proof that he did not get financial aid as a foreign student.

If he has such and open and accessible administration, wolf, why won't he release these?

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So you do want to see both, which means it's not simply a citizenship thing.

Again, what is the evidence that he took financial aid as a foreign national? I can't say "Obama MUST have genetic testing to prove he's actually human", and then get all bent out of shape when he blows me off. I would have made an utterly baseless accusation.

So what is the basis that makes the financial aid question not-baseless?

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...to the liberal requests for an un-redacted version of George W Bush's Texas ANG service record. All of the spots where there was a drug test or during which he was reportedly AWOL are redacted. Now, during the "Liberal Outrage" over this, we were told that the left was being unpatriotic by challenging their leader.

Now, only now, are we told that "Dissent is the highest form of Democracy". Except that generally "dissent" is misspelled, as is, often, "Democracy".

George W Bush was exactly the one referred to in Fortunate Son. Well, almost, his daddy wasn't /quite/ a Senator, he lost that seat by a C-hair and had to settle for Ambassador to the UN, then Chairman of the RNC, then the Director of the CIA. All in all, probably on balance more powerful than a Senator anyway.

No DAMN way his cokehead kid was going to go get shot up in the 'Nam for no good reason (as had already been reasoned out years earlier by Johnson and Nixon).

So yeah. Not terribly sympathetic, unless you can show either "probable cause" or "reasonable suspicion" that our President is a forger on the level of Frank Abagnale and has somehow duped us all out of Pell grant funds, why should he open his college tuition records, when such has never been requested of any president before him?

This is holding him to a different standard than previous presidents, I'd like to see some shred of evidence why.

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wolf, why won't he release these?

To send questions, comments, concerns, or well-wishes to the President or his staff, go to this website:
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Let us know what President Obama say's about your questions concerning not releasing all of his records.

"...This draw parallels...to...All of the spots where there was a drug test or during which he was reportedly AWOL are redacted. Now, during the "Liberal Outrage" over this, we were told that the left was being unpatriotic by challenging their leader..."

In Obama's case, THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT IS "REDACTED".

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Except that what we have seen is a legal document, issued by the state of Hawaii, confirming his birth in Hawaii.

I still haven't seen suitable reason to believe that Obama applied for financial aid as a foreigner either, who is saying that?

I filled the form out for you tis.

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Thanks wolf, but why don't you send it an ask him.

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I filled the form out for you tis.

Ok, that's pretty funny.
*click* SAVED

I hope you don't mind me posting that photo in threads on Fark et al.

You can do whatever you want with it.

wolf

I saw that vid yesterday, the sad thing is how much the very unfortunately-named Mike Castle gets booed for stating the obvious, that our president /is/ a citizen.

I bet he gets smeared as a RINO now.

Seems like this issue could easily be resolved if obama produces his birth certificate.

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He produced a legal document, issued by the state of Hawaii stating that he was born in Hawaii. This is the same piece of paper any Hawaiian citizen born at the same time as Obama would receive if they request a copy of their birth certificate. This document has been certified as authentic by all levels of the Hawaiian government.

As I've said in re: his college financial aid documents, the burden of proof in this country is on the accuser.

Produce evidence showing why you believe the Hawaiian government is involved in some kind of massive conspiracy. Do you really think "The WND Guy" has a stronger investigative arm than the McCain and Clinton presidential campaigns combined? If there was a shred of truth to this argument, don't you think McCain and Clinton would have been screaming it from the highest mountaintops to anyone who would listen?

If it's a forgery, show me how it's a forgery, show me evidence that the Republican governor of Hawaii has been compromised by the evil Liberal Muslim Harvard Elitists, show evidence that the McCain campaign was somehow part of a secret plot to elect an illegal candidate from an opposing party. In the absence of this evidence, you just look like a kook who really, really wants Joe Biden, of all people, to be your president. I know you're not a kook, or at least, I suspect you're not a kook, in any case.

God x, you are hard headed. You can argue it satisfies you that he is a citizen, but it doesn't satisfy us. We want a real birth certificate. He thought he could get away with that during the campaign but when it didn't work with a lot of people including us, can't understand why he wouldn't produce an actual birth certificate.

Darn, wolf, you found me out.

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I'm not arguing that it satisfies ME, I'm arguing that it's satisfied every elected official who's ever been asked to inspect it. It's satisfied the state government of the state that issued the document, it's satisfied the campaigns of those running against him.

The only job those campaigns had in the entire world was "defeat Obama", they had hundreds of millions of dollars with which to do so, and they failed. If he wasn't a natural born US citizen, they would have found it.

The reason he doesn't "just release the long form" is that this is a closed issue, it's a solved problem, it's an answered question.

I can answer at least one of your stated proofs pretty easily:

My wife's grandfather, when asked, will gladly tell you about the 9 children he's fathered. My wife has 11 aunts and uncles on her mother's side, we don't know which 3 he's forgetting. He's not even fighting a losing battle with cancer. Just old. No "dementia", just forgetful.

So the question remains, what is your basis for believing that this state-issued, certified by everyone, document is a forgery. What is your evidence for believing that Obama applied for financial aid as a foreigner?

For accusations to be taken seriously, they must be backed up with evidence, it's how it works in the US.

My reason for not believing it is the same as yours for believing it.

Once again this can be resolved by obama producing a birth certificate, seem's pretty simple to me especially since he is in office to serve the American people. Some American's have asked he produce a birth certificate, why is he not?

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My reason for not believing it is the same as yours for believing it.

You're going to need to explain that one to me. I believe it because I've seen evidence, verified by the state government of Hawaii, verifying Obama's residency. These documents have been certified as authentic.

That's my reason for believing this. Now, you're telling me that those same reasons are exactly why you ignore this evidence?

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Once again this can be resolved by obama producing a birth certificate, seem's pretty simple to me especially since he is in office to serve the American people. Some American's have asked he produce a birth certificate, why is he not?

You're getting into the territory of "If he's got nothing to hide, he should just do what we say". He did. He requested a copy of his birth certificate from Hawaii. He got exactly the same document any other Hawaiian born in the early '60's would get, and then posted it online.

You say "not good enough".

Then you want College financial aid documents to prove some insane theory that he applied as a foreign national. "Well, if he's got nothing to hide, he won't mind us looking".

Bullshit.

I've even seen the demands go so far as his HIGH SCHOOL transcripts, with the same arguments, "If he's got nothing to hide...".

He's given up the required documents. Why should the president waste time running down every document that has ever been filed during his lifetime to appease a tiny lunatic fringe of complainers?

If the RNC were to make these accusations, that would be one thing, when it's 10% of 10% of 10% of the minority political party, well, why should he bother?

Produce a REASON for us to see his college financial aid papers, for instance. What is the compelling evidence that you have that the RNC doesn't, that will show he applied illegally for financial aid?

First off I am not a lunatic fringe complainer. Is this how Democrats treat people?

I never asked for his college financial aid papers, you are mistaken there.

If obama or the government asked for my birth certificate I would produce it, it is that simple. Why does he not do so when American's are asking for his?

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More like "Y'all".

This isn't how Democrats treat people, this is how I treat people. I am not Democrats.

Earlier in the thread (and the other thread), there are requests made for college financial aid records.

I can't address you specifically, because you're Anonymous. Anonymous isn't allowed to get offended when someone says "you", since there are multitudes of Anonymous.

If obama or the government asked for my birth certificate I would produce it, it is that simple. Why does he not do so when American's are asking for his?

He did. Again, for the millllionth fucking time. He. Did. He gave the document produced by the state of Hawaii when someone calls up and says "Hey, I've got Rush Limbaugh all over my ass, do me a favor and shoot over a copy of my birth certificate".

He said "Gimme a copy", Hawaii gave him a copy, he posted it on his site, and "you all" aren't accepting it. That is the day the debate ended among rational people.

This is no different from 9/11 Truthers or the Democrats trying to nail Goldwater on exactly the same eligibility charge.

I've been hearing a lot of "So what's he hiding on that original certificate"? It doesn't matter, he might never have seen the original, but since we're speculating...

The document released by Hawaii is legal proof in any court in the land that this man was born in Hawaii. That is a fact.

If there is anything "embarrassing" about his original birth certificate, it's entirely irrelevant to this discussion, since the only thing at issue is his citizenship status. If his name on his birth certificate was written as "Barack Hussein What-an-Asshole Obama", I guess that would be embarrassing, but beyond that, I don't knwo what you could be referring to.

Tis has hinted that she believes he might be Indonesian, I see no evidence of this. Her statement asserts that American's can't attend schools in Indonesia (I find no evidence for this), and since it would seem that such a rule would apply to "foreigners" and not just "Americans", the implication is that he's Indonesian?

Nope, Hawaiian, all the way, the state says so.

For the millionth and 1st frickin time if he produces his birth certificate this is all resolved. I cannot understand what you do not understand about that.

Anonymous Wrote: - 07/22/2009 - 2:58pm
For the millionth and 1st frickin time if he produces his birth certificate this is all resolved. I cannot understand what you do not understand about that.

This gooes for you also Anonymous:

To send questions, comments, concerns, or well-wishes to the President or his staff, go to this website:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

Let us know what President Obama say's about your question concerning not releasing his Birth certificate.

This is for you Wolf, I have asked him for it and he has not replied, imagine that.

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For the millionth and 1st frickin time if he produces his birth certificate this is all resolved. I cannot understand what you do not understand about that.

He did. The document produced is the document that would be produced if he went to town hall in Honolulu and said "I'd like a copy of my birth certificate please".

That is the document posted on the campaign site.

What you want to see is the original, but what has been produced is absolutely the legal equivalent of that. Legally speaking, what you've seen is absolute proof in any court that the president was born in the US.

J. Sidney McCain avoided all this because he wisely got a congressional resolution passed saying that he is eligible to be President, since his birth was (at the time) much more in question than Obama's, being that he was actually born outside the US.

Even still, without the resolution, had he been elected, I'm sure there'd still be some 2% of liberals making exactly the same noise about it. He was born in the Canal Zone, which counted (at the time of his birth) as US soil, just as if he'd been born on an army base or in an embassy. Still you'd hear it, and you (anonymous) would be the one in my shoes saying "WTF, how many times do we need to rehash this shit, the guy /is/ our president".

So he side-stepped it and had Congress stipulate that he counts. Obama should have done the same thing. Unfortunately if they try to do that now, we'll have people bitching about "Citizenship by fiat" and "wasteful use of OPM" and all that bullshit.

The law has been appeased, therefore the President is completely within his right to ignore your pleas.

Kind of like if you roll the clock back to say, March of 2001. Just sayin'.

So you now speak for the president, you wrote "the President is completely within his right to ignore your pleas". Very interesting, I will wait till I hear from him thank you.

You are correct, how many times do we need to rehash this stuff?

An official birth certificate will end all doubt and speculation, why does he not produce it?

Yes, a certification of birth is not the same as a birth certificate. If he asks he can get a true birth certificate not a certification of birth. But for some reason he won't ask.
I did not hint that he was born in Indonesia. I hinted that he might have been born in Kenya and went to school in Indonesia. If he releases his school records saying he did go to school in Indonesia which people say he did, then he cannot have been an American citizen because Americans were not allowed in Indonesia. Of course being president now I would think he would have the power to come up with any fake documents he wants to. I don't know why he doesn't. Maybe he will soon.
And again, American citizens don't get foreign student aid to go to college in America.

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Yes, a certification of birth is not the same as a birth certificate. If he asks he can get a true birth certificate not a certification of birth. But for some reason he won't ask.

Legally, it is. That document is the document for proof of birth in Hawaii.

I did not hint that he was born in Indonesia. I hinted that he might have been born in Kenya and went to school in Indonesia. If he releases his school records saying he did go to school in Indonesia which people say he did, then he cannot have been an American citizen because Americans were not allowed in Indonesia

If Americans are not allowed to go to school in Indonesia, why are other countries? Where do you get this information? From what I've read in documents Obama stands behind, he did go to Catholic school in Indonesia.

I think I asked before, and maybe I missed it, but where did you learn that Americans can't attend Indonesian schools?

Even still, if they emigrated FROM the US and became Indonesian residents, it doesn't matter. The law is that you must have been a natural-born US Citizen, and have lived in the US for at least 14 years (note that there is no requirement that those be consecutive years either, for what it's worth). That doesn't rule out the possibility that there was dual-citizenship involved. If he held dual-passports, would the let him in? Is it "anyone born in the US can't go to our Clearly Superior schools"?

Legally speaking, this man has fulfilled his obligations to prove his citizenship. The lawsuits that are being thrown out are being thrown out on the basis that they're harassment and frivolous. It's much the same as the myriad ethics complaints against some other government officials. /THOSE/ charges are a waste of taxpayer time and money, /THESE/ charges are a Noble Crusade for the Truth.

Well, we know the truth. Walk into any situation in the country that requires validation of your birth status with Obama's Certification of Live Birth, and you will pass. It is legal. It is binding. There's no reason to release anything further.

Hawaii seems to have pretty strict privacy laws, which are preventing the hospital from confirming his birth, as they can't confirm anyone's birth. Sounds like Huggins, doesn't it OC? They can't confirm anyone was ever born there, so maybe they weren't.

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